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August 4th, 2009Huh?
I’ve been having fun today, trying to decipher my Sino DRO manual. By all accounts, Sino DROs are very good. If you hire a Chinese person to show you how to use them.
“Setting of system. In process of self check, key ‘.’, then the system enter setting mode after self check finished.”
“It is possible to return to zero any point, take the example of X axis display.”
Okay. Isn’t a self check something you do in the shower?
I have been sitting in front of the mill, punching buttons to find out how the DRO actually works. I am taking notes and writing my own instructions. I guess it’s worth it, because an American DRO costs a grand, and this one was included with my mill! God only knows what it would have cost, had they paid an English-speaker to write the manual instead of using Babelfish.
It amazes me that there are Americans who have figured out how to use Sino DROs. They write about them on forums as if everything was fine. I guess they learn on DROs with better manuals, and when they end up with Sinos, they already know everything. I was considering downloading a manual for a different brand, in the hope that there were similarities.
I tried to determine whether I needed a rotary table, a dividing head, a super spacer, or an indexer today. And I finally realized I would never figure it out if I lived a thousand lifetimes. I think I’ll eventually get a rotary table with dividing accessories and see what happens. I really don’t know what else to do. If I keep trying to figure out the best possible thing to buy, I will die before I actually get anything.
Og says I should get a swivel base for my vise, and I’m sure that’s a good idea. Of course, I chose not to get one when I bought the vise, because I kept seeing forum posts in which people said swivel bases were a complete waste of money. It’s nice how everyone’s advice is consistent. I don’t think I can go wrong with a rotary table. And the table on my mill is long, so my hope is that I can have the vise and the rotary table mounted simultaneously, most of the time.
I am pretty well convinced that I should get a 3-axis DRO, put it on my mill, add a z scale, and move the 2-axis DRO to the lathe. It would be nice to have some idea how long parts are, and I cannot figure out how you do it with a dial indicator with a one-inch range. I think measuring a 24″ part with a dial indicator would be challenging, to say the least.
The DRO manual would be confusing even if it made sense. It has instructions for cutting arcs with a straight end mill. How is that possible? It doesn’t move the work; it just tells you where it is. You can’t move all three handwheels at once unless you have CNC, and I’m pretty sure they would all have to move to make these exotic shapes.
I still want an electronic lead screw for the lathe. It does what a DRO does, most of the time. But when it doesn’t, it doesn’t. And a DRO can’t do what it does. It replaces metric gears, a taper attachment, and sometimes, a DRO.
I gave up on making my own dovetail cutter. It’s a very stupid idea. Luckily Enco is having a sale. They must adore me.
I really think I may make something some day. Possibly by Christmas. Of 2011.
Hope Obama hasn’t backed a truck up to the garage by then. When he crowns himself at the National Cathedral and starts confiscating Jewish property, we’ll know he’s almost ready to nationalize our tools and shoot everyone who can read. If you’re Jewish, have a tailor make you a nice silk yellow star right away. Don’t wait for the rush and end up with a crummy one made out of felt.
August 4th, 2009 at 6:31 PM
So, I have been really enjoying this series, but I am kind of puzzled as to why you don’t just go take a class? Or , heck, go find some 70 year old retired master machinest with nothing better to do and pay him $10/hour to make you smarter.
-XC
August 4th, 2009 at 6:47 PM
DRO operation is simple, for the most part. They self-check when turned on, and you reset them to zero where you want zero to be. There are more complex functions on some DRO’s, but use the simple ones first.
Frinstance: Using an edge finder,with the quill at least an inch down, run the head to the edge of the vise. I like to use the .200 edge finder. When it hits and deflects, (run it at low speed, like 200 rpm) stop and back off until it just stops deflecting. And then set that axis to zero. Lift the quill until the edge finder clears. Then crank the mill over .100. Reset zero. Now your quill is centered on the edge of the vise.
Now run the quill down between the vise jaws as it’s clamped on a part. Run it back until it deflects, then set zero; run it forward until it deflects, and look at the reading. Move it back half that amount and reset zero. Now your quill is centered over the workpiece.
if the workpiece is taller than the vise jaws you just need to touch the edgefinder on the outside of the part instead.
Here’s a decent rotary. It will work vertically or horizontally. It isn’t likely that you’ll ever need more than an 8″, and too big will make it impossible to do some things.
http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INLMKD?SIITEM001=200-1143&SIQTY001=1&SICOUNT=1
You’ll want a chuck for that too. I’d get a 3 jaw. Not worth the effort of bucking in a 4 jaw on a dividing head.
August 4th, 2009 at 8:43 PM
My Rotary Table is an 8″ Phase II from Enco, with tailstock and dividing attachments.
My vise came with a swivel base that the previous owner, a professional machinist, never used. It’s still unused.
Don’t leave both the vise and RT on the mill table, the table will warp.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Wow, I’m curious og….are you an old school machinist? The only other machinist I know that uses an RPM that low on an edge finder was the guy that taught me when I first started out. He was ALWAYS griping about how inaccurate the mill was when all along the problem was the low RPM he was using on his edge finder. I’m an experimenter so I played with my brand new Starrett right from the start to see if there were differences. Sure enough, at 250 RPM, the Starrett edge finder would NOT repeat at less than .003!! There is NO WAY running an edge finder at 200 RPM is acceptable practice. By the way, I’ve personally supplied so many parts to NASA I’ve lost count so It’s not like we’re backyard mechanics over here. I never run an edge finder below a grand. EVER