Lathes Confusing; Prayer, not so Much

March 16th, 2009

Still Waffling

Mish Weiss’s blood cell counts are showing some improvement, but she has another cold and a very high fever. Here’s what a faithful prayer warrior has to say in her comments:

Of course, we will pray. Thanks for the specific info so we know exactly how to pray. I believe G_d answers our specific prayers. So we will pray that Mish’s counts continue to go up and the fever goes down the the cold goes away.

I’m joining in these prayers, and I hope you will do the same. Posting for Mish, Marc says “I know that I don’t even have to ask for prayer, thank you in advance.” What a day we live in, when Christians and Jews cooperate like this and see each other as allies. Many denominations, especially mainstream churches, display disturbing hostility to Jews and Israel, but there are at least 800 million Christians who have been taught that the Jews are the apple of God’s eye, and that we are to help them whenever we can.

In other news, I’m dithering on the lathe issue. A certain sum will buy me one of these three items: a Grizzly G4003G with a stand and a warranty, a used Clausing 5914 that came from a prison, and a South Bend 13 x 36. Og says the Chinese stuff is as good as ours now. If that’s true, the Grizzly is a good move. It will have a warranty and great customer support, and presumably, it will work right out of the crate. Still, I’ve read about little quality issues where the old US stuff is much better, and it’s possible that I might be better off with an old lathe.

I should point out that the G4003G is a gunsmith’s lathe. It’s a G4003 with better bearings and a few gewgaws. It should be considerably better than most non-Taiwan Grizzly offerings.

I’ve decided I’m not comfortable buying a used local machine unless I can be completely sure it will perform as well as a new Chinese job. The risk is too big, unless the machine is so cheap I can’t justify not trying it. A person of limited skills can’t really restore an old lathe, unless it has damage limited to certain areas. The Clausing and South Bend come from a dealer with a great reputation; I’d rather pay him a fair price than buy an iffy lathe really cheap.

Complicating the issue, I keep thinking the smart move might be to drop a few hundred on a Harbor Freight job and learn about machining. If I did that, presumably in a few months I’d be knowledgeable enough about lathes to evaluate used tools.

I hope my next round of Smartflix DVDs arrives today.

4 Responses to “Lathes Confusing; Prayer, not so Much”

  1. Bill P Says:

    Buy the Grizzly. They are pretty good machines. They have some fit and finish problems, and usually leak oil from the apron, but you can easily tune them up to deliver good performance. Not like a Hardinge, but they don’t cost $30K, either. Old, worn out American machines are not a good buy.

    A DRO is a nice feature to add.

  2. JeffW Says:

    I noticed that the Grizzly has free shipping too 🙂
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    I was also thinking about a small Harbor Freight job to get me past a short term need, but the CNC Mill really covers about 99% of what I do, so there is not as much need for a lathe…unless I get into Gunsmithing. Which, by way of observation, seems to be the next area on interest for you (and Wooden Display boxes for the finely machined guns you’ll make).

  3. jdunmyer Says:

    That Grizzly is popular and is probably OK. You’re right about buying an old POS American lathe, they’re not worth the all-too-high asking price in many cases. That is a nice-sized machine and will do most anything that you’re likely to run into. The one must-have accessory is a quick-change toolpost and several holders. Just checked Enco, and you’re in luck, they’re on sale: http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=505-2172&PMPXNO=953248&PARTPG=INLMK32

    The HSM BBS is a good place to ask, or do a search first, as it’s been hashed over many times.

  4. JeffW Says:

    Hi Steve,
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    In addition to your prayers for Mish, could you also lift up a boy by the name of Russell? He is a 13-year old student at my daughter’s homeschool co-op that has a cancerous brain tumor. The family was informed last night that the tumor had grown 3-4 times it’s previous size in the last six weeks and the prognosis is not good. The family are all committed Christians, so they value prayer.
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    I can send more details in email if needed.
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    Thanks,
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    JeffW