Hornady LNL Fixed!

March 15th, 2009

Friction Gone

More info for Hornady Lock-N-Load AP owners.

A while back I wrote about the problems I had with my Lock-N-Load. I want to emphasize something: this machine may have been completely perfect when I got it. It is possible that I screwed it up while learning how to use it. But I don’t think so, because it appears that the fundamental problem is excess friction, and that’s a design and/or manufacturing tolerance issue.

I had problems with indexing from the time I got the press. The ball detent things under the shell plate are of limited value; they don’t give enough resistance to prevent the plate from indexing incorrectly. You have to have the pawls set perfectly. These are little spring doodads that push the index wheel that turns the plate. They must be aligned with extreme precision; one quarter of a turn of an adjusting screw can mess things up.

The pawls move the plate by pushing the index wheel with their upper edges, which are very thin and somewhat fragile. The index wheel is hardened steel, and it will eat the pawls quickly if they have to work too hard. If it takes a lot of torque to turn the wheel, the pawls aren’t going to last. I think Hornady dropped the ball here. It seems to me that if you’re going to use a thin, delicate metal edge to push something, you should reduce the required force as much as possible. It would have been just as easy to make machines that turned with less resistance. Change two specs: the diameter of the drive hub, and the diameter of the drive shaft.

I figured I was having a problem with friction, so I took the driveshaft out, mounted it in a drill, and spun it inside a sheet of emery paper until it was shiny. When I stuck the shaft back in the machine, the decrease in friction was obvious. But I couldn’t test the press because while I was fooling with it I snapped a little key off the drive hub, and I put a lot of wear on the pawls. I ordered new pawls and a new hub, and they arrived a couple of days ago.

I put the hub on the shaft, mounted it in the drill, and gave it the emery-paper treatment. I cleaned out the inside of the sub plate (the hub rotates inside it), and I greased everything and put the machine together. When all was said and done, it turned considerably more freely than in the past, and it indexed perfectly.

One interesting side note: I had a hell of a time getting it to index when I first put it back together. Finally, I looked at the index wheel. It appeared to me that it was impossible for the pawls to push it as far as it needed to go, because of the shape of the wheel’s arms. They seemed to be curved in the opposite direction from the way they needed to go. And of course, they were. I had put the wheel on upside-down. This is probably why I couldn’t get the machine to index the last time I worked on it, after I ground the worn parts off the pawls. In all likelihood, I bought new pawls I didn’t need. Oh well. I’ll need them eventually.

I also have a habit of reassembling coaxial parts in the wrong order, so whatever I’m working on has to be taken apart several times before I’m done. I only did that about three times tonight.

The machine works great now. Slick as snot on a doorknob. And I understand it, finally. I suspect that every LNL owner needs to do what I did. Unless some units have less friction than others.

Hornady redesigned the shell ejection system. You have to buy a $30 replacement sub plate and pay $10 each to get your shell plates converted to work with it. I don’t know if I’ll bother. The old system relies on a stiff wire that pushes shells out of the plate. It’s very clearly at an angle which is suboptimal for the job. That’s not the whole problem; when the wire pushes on the side of the case to eject it, the rim rotates up against the bottom of the shell plate and creates resistance to ejection. But I think that if I bent the wire a bit, it would be reliable enough to keep using. I have two or three spares, so I don’t really care if I ruin one.

It feels great to get something fixed. So often now, when I have a problem, I’m able to go out in the garage and fix it. I can’t explain how wonderful that feels. I am finally getting something I’ve wanted all my life. It’s like coming up for air after a long swim under water.

My tool journey has been much more than a frivolous waste of money or a passing interest. I has been a genuine voyage of self-actualization. Christians don’t use that term much, but we should, because self-actualization is something the Psalms promise us. “Delight thyself also in the Lord, and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.” “The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord, and he delighteth in his way.” God knows us before we are born, and he designs each of us for a purpose. So it’s only natural that faith and obedience lead to a life in which you find yourself doing the very things that fill your innermost needs.

It’s funny. Non-Christians talk about the importance of “finding yourself.” That’s exactly what’s happening to me. So often, we spend our lives trying to find the things we know we need, when we should be living by faith and letting God bring us those things. You don’t need to find yourself. God already knows where you are, and he can show you.

I am starting to wrap up my lathe search. I have a couple of candidates. The prices are merely fair, but I can live with that, if it means not having the headache of coping with disappointing tools from shady dealers. Sometimes you have to pay for things. That’s just how it is.

I’m thinking I’ll get a 12″ by 36″ lathe and possibly a Millrite. I would prefer a Bridgeport, because there is a good chance I’ll eventually want to upgrade from a Millrite, but space is an issue, and a Bridgeport is about half again as big as a Millrite, in linear terms. The Millrite I found locally appears to be very nice, and I can get it at an okay price, with a shipping charge much lower than what I’d pay to drag one in from out of state. Once I have a mill and a lathe, I’ll be pretty well set for major tools.

Just don’t talk to me about Bobcats.

7 Responses to “Hornady LNL Fixed!”

  1. Leo Says:

    Yeah, OK…Afterall you have a Genie Lift now you can sling that heavy stuff around with. Of course it won’t move dirt but that’s another thing you won’t have much use for until you’re established in some secure place with a couple of pole barns and a few acres.
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    Congratulations Steve. It’s been a pretty good trip since back when you were catching crap about wanting to weld. he he Looking forward to Part II.

  2. GrumpyUnk Says:

    With a Lathe and a mill you can build darn near anything that the machines will handle. I’m getting tool envy here.

    Bobcat, not so much, but a small to middle sized tractor with attachments yes.

  3. Wormathan Says:

    What about the car lift?

  4. Steve G. Says:

    “It feels great to get something fixed. So often now, when I have a problem, I’m able to go out in the garage and fix it. I can’t explain how wonderful that feels.”

    Ideally you wouldn’t have to. But at least in my case, until about 2 years ago, I wouldn’t have quite understood. I’m nowhere near where you are on tools (someday…) but I used to feel the same helplessness around electronics.

    There I was, an EE, but where I was in my career and what I was doing was fairly far removed from hardware, so most of it was a black box to me. I didn’t quite realize it, but I desperately wanted to be able to both design my own hardware and open up some other design and be able to understand how it worked (and maybe fix it). I’m well on my way there now, and it’s a hell of a lot of fun. Hopefully the economy comes back so I can actually keep up on things and learn some of the tricks I haven’t picked up yet.

  5. Chris Byrne Says:

    Steve,

    I’ve never had any friction problems, and my pawls are definitely not weak; though they are fiddly to adjust.

    GLad to hear yours is silky smooth now though.

    I’ve ordered the conversion. I’ll let you know how it goes.

  6. Steve H. Says:

    Since some people say they have friction and others don’t, it must be a tolerance issue.

  7. lateniteguy Says:

    You make an interesting point about the self-actualization stuff. I tell people who are suddenly all Christian and making a huge pest out of themselves that the proper response is quiet contemplation, not hectoring those of us who didn’t screw up their lives before coming to some sort of spiritual awakening. Point being that if you use the bible as a template for general behavior modification (generally — not going into your bank and turning over the loan officer’s desk), you find that it is just flat easier to live in a “Christian” fashion than not. This is important. If your life gets easier — less troublesome, less stressful — you have more energy to focus on being a better person. It’s a feedback loop of sorts. You have the energy to be a better person. Being a “good Christian” generally makes your life less difficult and thus gives you that valuable commodity of leisure time which can be used to get more out of life, regardless of one’s animosity towards organized religion (or not, as the case may be).