Rifling Through the Options

March 22nd, 2018

More Guns = Better Life

I need another rifle. This is obvious. I wonder why I bothered to type it. It’s one of the fundamental assumptions of life. I always need another rifle.

I did very well shooting my .17 HMR at 100 yards. Hooray. The problem with that is that the .17 HMR does very poorly in the wind. It’s also a little weak. If I shoot a .17 HMR in a 10-mph wind, the point of impact will be several inches away from the point of aim, and I will have to guess at the size of the error. When you’re trying to shoot something like a coon or a coyote with a small bullet, you want to be accurate so you kill the animal instead of putting a hole through its ear or neutering it.

I looked at the .17 WSM, or Winchester Super Magnum. This is the exact same thing as a .17 HMR, with a bigger case and more power. As far as I can tell, it’s superior to the .17 HMR in every way it can be. More speed means less wind drift, and it’s more powerful when it hits the animal. It’s also nearly as cheap to shoot!

Still, it’s a really small bullet. It will blow around quite a bit compared to bigger bullets.

I would like my next gun to be a low-recoil machine that will kill anything up to the size of a coyote. I want the recoil to be low enough to allow me to watch the bullets hit through the scope. I also want decent range. I want something relatively cheap to shoot, too.

People are recommending the .223 (the most common AR15 round) and the .204 Ruger.

The .223 is a giant .22. It has a big case sort of like a 7.62x39mm, so it goes considerably faster than a .22 LR, and the bullets can be longer and heavier. It does not have much recoil, but my understanding is that I would be lucky to be able to see hits through a scope.

The .204 Ruger is a relatively new caliber. It goes like crazy. You can get over 4000 fps out of it. The high speed makes it more destructive at long ranges, and the trajectory is pretty flat because it’s not in the air long. I think. The .204 is extremely accurate, like the .17 HMR, and you can kill stuff at up to 400 yards, if you can shoot.

I tried to get info on the web, and it was very hard.

Here’s one problem you will have when you go to forums and ask about calibers: people who can’t shoot will chime in. They’ll say this or that gun is a “tack driver.” Then in a later forum post, they’ll say it was shooting 3″ groups at 100 yards. To them, this is accuracy. To me, it’s 2.25″ of fail.

People also lie about how well they shoot. A guy will shot two hundred rounds through a gun, and most shots will be widely dispersed. At some point, he’ll shoot three consecutive rounds into a 1/2″ area. Then he’ll tell everyone he and his gun shoot 0.5 MOA, which is total crap.

To me, “0.5 MOA” means MOST of your shots will be within a 1/2″ circle. If you hang out of an upstairs window and empty a bag of marbles onto your driveway, some will land in the same place, but it doesn’t mean you were accurate.

People are out there saying the .223 is deadly accurate, but they may be lying or limited by low standards.

People also argue about basic facts which ought to be settled by now. Depending on whom you ask, either the .204 or the .223 is much less affected than the other by wind. And the people making the claims won’t waffle. They’ll say it with authority. Obviously, half of them are wrong.

It sort of looks like the .204 is actually better in the wind. I have read that if you use reasonably heavy bullets, you will do better than the .223. Supposedly, the .223 does better when the .204 is limited by its ammunition.

Is this correct? Search me.

I think the scope thing will be the determining factor. No one is going to go out with me at night and watch me shoot coyotes or coons. No one will be around to tell me whether I hit anything. I would like to know whether I’m succeeding, without taking the golf cart all over the farm in the dark to look for a dead coon.

I don’t want to buy a compromise gun, because when you buy a compromise gun, you end up buying at least one more gun later to make up for it.

If I got a .223, I would probably end up wanting a .17 WSM and a .243 or .22-250 to replace it.

Once nice thing about the .204 Ruger is that you can get a super-accurate version relatively cheap. Of course, the source is Savage. Strange company. Cheap guns that outshoot expensive guns. For about $500, I can get a .204 Ruger bolt action what will get the job done. No one around here carries it, so I guess I would order from Bud’s.

After that, I would need 200 rounds of Hornady V-Max to start my brass collection. The brass for .204 Ruger is expensive. I would have to get dies, too.

Sooner or later I will move north, to a bigger piece of land where I can shoot better game at longer distances. I think the .17 HMR with FMJ and the .204 Ruger will cover a lot of the bases. You can shoot squirrels and rabbits with .17 HRM FMJ (I am told, anyway) without destroying the meat, and the .204 Ruger will kill anything between rabbit and deer. Up north there would also be groundhogs and foxes. I would still need a legitimate deer rifle, however, and maybe I should make sure it was also appropriate for deer and bears.

I could always use my K31 rifle for deer. Not sure whether ammunition is available.

Anyway, this is where things sit at the moment.

I’ve been trying to find turkeys here, and I haven’t seen anything. I guess they don’t like my farm. I’ve read that you’re supposed to plant clover and chicory to attract deer and turkeys. I haven’t tried a call yet.

I believe it’s time to splurge on a night scope. I love this farm, but it doesn’t look like it’s going to be a great place to shoot edible game in the daytime, so I feel I should gear up for the animals it does have to offer.

Scope first, or new rifle first? Hard to say. If I have the scope, I can use it on the .17 HMR right now. I forget whether I’m allowed to shoot coons with it at night, on private land without a light. I have to check.

I look forward to moving past squirrels.

6 Responses to “Rifling Through the Options”

  1. Mike Says:

    It’s hard to beat the old .22lr at short ranges on small game. That scatter gun you used with success on the tree rats may be the just the medicine for turkey? I’ll bet a stout load of #4 shot would reduce that bird to your possession if you can find him.
    Either way you “need” another rifle. Most jobs go so much better with the correct tool, firearms are like wrenches and sockets you can’t have too many.
    I read where a turkey broke through a window to get inside a home up in Maine. Maybe you should keep the shotgun by the bed?
    Good hunting!

  2. Steve H. Says:

    Don’t mention the .22. I bought a Marlin Model 60 a short time ago, and when I got it home, it shot all over the place. I’m talking maybe 8 MOA. With a scope, with a different scope, with iron sights…didn’t matter. Took it back to Gander Outdoors, and they said they don’t do returns. They sent it to Marlin, which is apparently Remington, and I guess I’ll see it again in the fall.

  3. Anthony Says:

    My Father in Law just bought a Ruger 6.5 Creedmoor. He seems to like it, His purpose for it is to shoot coyotes on his farm. Coyotes have taken a few of his calves.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.5mm_Creedmoor

    https://ruger.com/products/americanRiflePredator/specSheets/6973.html

    https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/category/firearms/rifles/bolt-action/65-creedmoor.do

  4. Mike Says:

    Sorry about the Marlin, I’m not a Ford over Chevy type but the 10/22 is almost if not the AR15 of rimfire rifles. You can probably build one without a single Ruger OEM part and likely without having once fire up the mill or lathe. Check out the rabbit hole called rim fire central.
    I went a little into the deep end after getting clear of evil wife #2 and bought 2 Sig 1911 type .45acp pistols, considered myself able to make nearly any 1911 work, not so much the 2 Sigs. 5 years later they run but are going to be traded off at the first opportunity.

  5. Steve H. Says:

    Anthony, when I got my AR10, I wanted .260, which is similar to 6.5 Creedmoor. I got a great deal on a .308, and I figured I would get a .260 upper later. Haven’t done it yet. The difference between .260 and Creedmoor is so slight, I might go for Creedmoor one day. Right now, though, I want something smaller.

    I saw a Youtube you might like. It’s a British guy shooting rabbits in the head at 300 yards with a .204 Ruger. Spectacular.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqqsqZOJIqA&t=265s

    Mike, my first 1911 buy was a Smith & Wesson, and I love it. I also have a Colt, which has inferior fit and finish. The Smith appears to be a better gun.

    I guess I’ll get the Marlin back eventually. I don’t expect them to improve it, because that’s how these things usually go. “We fired it 3 times, and it seemed okay. Are you sure you know how to use the sights?” If they don’t fix it, I’ll part it out on Ebay and get something else.

  6. Chris Says:

    “People are out there saying the .223 is deadly accurate, but they may be lying or limited by low standards”– I think a lot of people lately have confused accuracy with whether someone with no experience can just pick it up and put bullets on mass. In that sense, the .223 is very good because thousands of 18-24 year olds pick up a rifle every year in basic training and shoot well enough to “qualify”. Because the bullet and the platform have very little recoil, even someone who’s never fired anything other than a super-soaker will hit the majority of their shots.

    But real accuracy is made with lots and lots of practice. Prior to WW1, the British endorsed a policy of “musketry”, allowing their troops to practice as much as they wished, and providing them the ammunition to do so. As a result, when the Germans first encountered British riflemen in the field, the Brits were so accurate that the Germans initially thought the Brits were using a surplus of machine guns.

    It’s not enough for a gun owner to buy a gun and then pull it out once a year just to confirm they can hit the broad side of a barn. They should be firing once or twice a month, and arguably more, with the same platform to get their accuracy rate up.

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