Spraying and Praying

March 9th, 2018

New Rifle Underwhelms

Today I took my new Marlin 60 .22 rifle out, scoped it, and tried to get it sighted in. It was a nightmare. It was so inaccurate, it actually scared me.

I have a cheap BugBuster scope. This is an amazing Chinese toy that gives 3-9x magnification with a lighted reticle. It’s very neat. I’ve been using it on an air rifle, and it works.

I was going to put my old Bushnell rimfire scope on the .22, but I lost part of a ring clamp. I ordered a scope mount for it. Then I decided I wanted to use the BugBuster instead. The new mount turned out to be too long for the BugBuster, so I had to move the air rifle mount to the Marlin.

Annoying.

I got everything set up, and I put a chair in the pasture about 50 feet from a target. Plenty close enough for sighting in. I shot, and I wasn’t on the paper. That scared me. I don’t want to send bullets over a road or another farm. I moved WAY up and started over. Even at 30 feet or so, I couldn’t do a thing with the rifle. It was spraying bullets into an area 4″ wide, and it was so inaccurate, I couldn’t figure out which way to turn the scope knobs.

I took the scope off and shot offhand at very close range, and I was still all over the place. I went and got a table, and I shot from a rest. Still bad. I switched from cheap Remington ammo to CCI Stingers. No help.

Finally, I went in the house and got my old Nylon 66 rifle. I was wondering if I had forgotten how to shoot. It was already full of cheap ammo. I blasted away offhand, and I shot into a very small area. The ammo worked.

You can imagine how frustrating this was. Nobody wants to go back to a store and say, “This rifle won’t hit the target.” You can imagine the response. “SURE it won’t. It’s a BAD BAD rifle. Maybe you should exchange it for a cast net.”

I threw some more rounds into the Marlin, and it shot just fine. I put more rounds in. Again, it shot well. I didn’t know what to think. It was getting dark, so it was too late to put the scope back on and try everything a second time.

I am perplexed. I know guns like to be broken in, but this is crazy.

At times like this, you start to wonder if you’re really a good shot.

I started trying to find Internet information on problems with new rifles. I found an irrelevant article by Chuck Hawks. This is a noted gun curmudgeon. I’m not sure he has any idea what he’s talking about. He says Smith & Wesson makes garbage, which is pretty much the opposite of my experience. Anyway, he wrote an interesting screed about accuracy.

He seems to think sub-MOA accuracy is mythical. Can that be true?

I have a .17 HMR rifle. The last time I shot it at 100 yards, I got either 1 MOA accuracy or so close to it, it’s virtually 1 MOA. I didn’t get the calipers out. It could conceivably be 1.1 MOA, but it’s not 1.2. It might be 0.95 for all I know. I know what an inch looks like, but I’m not a ruler.

I shot 5 consecutive rounds into a space an inch across. If you measured from the outsides of the holes, you would get a figure of an inch, +/-10%. If we’re going to split hairs, 1 MOA is actually more like 1.05″ than 1″.

Here is something Chuck Hawks said:

I have written it before and I will write it again: these groups are achieved on a word processor, not in the field. At best what the writer means is that once, when the stars were momentarily aligned in the sky, he shot a 1″ group with the test rifle. He will never admit in print that he shot nine other groups ranging in size from 2″ to 4″ with the same rifle.

However, the inexperienced and the gullible take these “test reports” to heart. The most absurd exaggeration is accepted without question, and endlessly repeated (and embellished) online. The boldest liars become authorities on marksmanship and rifle performance. It would be depressing if it were not so absurd!

I’ll tell you right now, I can shoot the .17 HMR in calm conditions and get 1 MOA accuracy or something so close to it, it doesn’t matter. I don’t practice much, I have no training, and I don’t try that hard, so I should be able to do somewhat better if I work at it. This is with a $200 rifle shooting store ammunition. Granted, it’s only 100 yards, but I can do it. I feel sure that if I can do it, a whole lot of other people can do it.

Can I do it while tromping around out of breath in the woods, without a rest? No way. My best guess is that I could shoot 2 MOA consistently if I had trees to lean on, but I don’t think I could do any better. I don’t know, because I don’t have any opportunities to do that kind of shooting. I suppose I could tape targets to trees, walk around, and shoot at them. Even then, it’s not like shooting an animal. Some animals will hold still and pose, making shooting them nearly as easy as shooting paper. Others aren’t cooperative.

Can I do it at longer ranges? I don’t know. The farther you get from targets, the more you have to know about shooting.

The caliber of the gun doesn’t matter. I’ve learned that shooting big guns with lots of recoil is just as easy as shooting little guns. The recoil comes AFTER you shoot, so it doesn’t affect your accuracy. If you can shoot a .17 HMR well, you should be able to shoot a scoped Ma Deuce well.

Hawks says hunters shooting animals with 8″ kill zones at 150 yards or less should be perfectly happy with 4-MOA guns. That sounds awful to me. Are there really guns that shoot that badly? I mean, do they shoot that badly with good ammunition, when held in a sled? To me, that’s how you define a rifle’s capabilities. A person holding a rifle will always shoot imperfectly, so it’s not fair to judge a gun by what it does when a person holds it. The sled should provide the best measure of a gun’s true capabilities.

If I were shooting a 4-MOA gun at 100 yards to sight it in, I wouldn’t know how to do it. If you have bullets splattering all over a 4″ circle, how do you know which way to turn the scope knobs? Do you fire 25 rounds to get some idea where the center of the 4″ circle is and then try to move that to the center of the target?

Hawks says 3 MOA is good enough for 200-yard kills. He also says no hunter should ever take a shot over 400 yards. The idea is that it’s cruel to the animal to risk wounding it without killing it cleanly.

I read this stuff, and then I think about the average shooter. Most people who shoot regularly would be lucky to hit the ground consistently if they tried. That’s my claim, based on what I’ve seen. I’ll bet 95% of hunters can’t shoot 3 MOA at the range, using a rest, with the best equipment in existence. I wonder what interesting stories guides have to tell. They must get a lot of clients whose marksmanship makes for good entertainment.

I think there are a lot of people out there who shouldn’t shoot at game over 75 feet away. Many people shouldn’t shoot at animals at all, except out of necessity.

I want to feel confident when I hunt. I want to know that there is very little chance an animal I shoot will run off and suffer because I didn’t kill it quickly. This makes me wonder about my dream of going out west and shooting prairie dogs at long distances. Maybe it’s a bad idea, or maybe if I do it, I should make a very serious study of accuracy and distance and limit my shots accordingly.

It’s probably a bad thing for hunters to brag about long shots. If a shot was lucky, you shouldn’t have taken it. If you’re really good, I suppose it’s another matter.

I don’t know how good 1 MOA at 100 yards is. Maybe it’s common. But it does sound like it’s good enough to get me in the door. I should be able to hunt competently and responsibly. If I can shoot 2-3 MOA in the field, I ought to be above reproach.

In the movies, people pull of insane shots. It’s all nonsense. In real life, shooting his hard, and even if you do everything right, you can’t shoot like Quigley or James Bond. Chris Kyle couldn’t do it, for that matter. James Bond is a fictional character. Daniel Craig and the rest of the boys never shot anything but blanks. In reality, now that I think of it, they probably couldn’t have hit a watermelon at ten feet. I doubt any of them ever had any training.

Tomorrow I’ll try the Marlin again. Maybe there was some kind of manufacturing crud stuck in the barrel, and I’ve blown it out. If it still shoots badly, I’ll return it.

The trigger is atrocious. It’s as if there are little rocks in the receiver, and you have to break them before the gun goes off. The Nylon 66 has a magnificent trigger. Truly exceptional. I wonder if the Marlin can be enhanced. I hate bad triggers. They say a good shot can overcome one, but I notice serious shooters insist on smooth triggers. If it really didn’t matter, would they do that?

If I can’t get it to work, I’ll probably get a Ruger 10/22. I should be able to get one to shoot accurately. If necessary, I could have the crown worked on. That should be a cheap job.

6 Responses to “Spraying and Praying”

  1. Anthony Says:

    Here’s my long range (“luckily”) shot story.

    First off, I’ve shot 8, or 9, deer since living in the UK – starting to loose count. All but one were dead in one shot. For the one deer it took two shots, though I think it would been dead if I waited another minute, but a minute is a long time waiting for something to die. The closest was 50 yards – furthest 250.

    The Luckily shot story: I was sitting in a high-seat over a newly planted forest, pine saplings about two to three feet high. The seat wasn’t the best for my body dimensions. Resting the gun on the cross bar and comfortably resting my cheek on the stock and aligning my eye through the scope was a challenge.

    Anyway, a deer appears, I thought about 200 yards. Google earth says 250. The deer being so far away I had plenty of time, and was able to move about, to try and get comfortable and take the shot. Finally got to the point to take a shot and started to squeeze the trigger – then, having doubts if I could hit the deer – I stop squeezing, lifted by head and took my cheek off the stock. Well, I squeezed to the point of no return and the gun discharged. Not good.

    With my bare eyes I could not see any movement, then I looked through the scope to see the deer lying down trying to raise its head. A moment later the head fell to the ground and all movement ceased.
    In relation to me, the deer was at a 35 degree angle with the head facing away. The bullet entered on the right side, about two ribs in from the rear most section of the rib cage, and exited forward right of the left shoulder. The .308 150 grain bullet tore through its lungs and heart.

    The rest of the story: Prior to seeing the deer, while sitting in the high-seat, I was in prayer about sin in my life that has been a struggle not to repeat – and wondering if repeated transgressions of a similar nature are truly forgiven. Long story short, and this may sound crazy to believers and nonbelievers alike, but it’s like God said to me, through my Son, know that you are forgiven – entirely, and I will be there with you to overcome your struggles. And to confirm this I shall place this beast in your hands. As I said, it was a very long shot, and my cheek was well off the stock when the rifle fired.

    Since then the desire has passed for that particular sin. Obviously that’s not to say I don’t have other struggles – but those have become easier and easier to deal with through humble prayer that acknowledges God’s almighty power – and my almighty weakness.

  2. Monty James Says:

    Would it be worthwhile to get a zero with the iron sights first? Perhaps target sling, sandbags, and prone position?

  3. Mike Says:

    10/22’s can have problems but at least there is hope of fixing the problem. There are after market replacements/upgrades for almost every part in the Ruger.
    I have one like this
    https://www.cabelas.com/product/RUGER-TARGET-RIMFIRE-RIFLE/2533523.uts

    I’ve had it four years and so far its been perfect. I also have a Deluxe sporter similar to this
    https://www.cabelas.com/product/RUGER-DELUXE-SPORTER-RIMFIRE-RIFLE/2590007.uts

    Bought that one in the early 70’s. It has been very reliable except for one flaw, sometimes if shooting with the barrel elevated nearly straight up it would give lite firing pin strikes. Fixed it by modifying the firing pin stop slightly. That rifle has taken a bunch of small game in the 40 or so years I’ve had the pleasure of owning it.

    Another area of great frustration with any scoped rifle is the scope itself and its mounting system. Buy quality the first time is my motto. I’m not ashamed to admit to spending more on the glass and mounts than the cost of the rifle itself. Check into the Leopold rimfire scopes. This is the last one I purchased
    http://chuckhawks.com/leupold_VX-II_rimfire_scope.htm

    Love that scope.

    I’ve been accused of being an enabler when it comes to shooting gear, have fun with whatever you end up with.

  4. Steve H. Says:

    Anthony, thanks for that testimony. It’s really something.

    Mike, I believe in good glass, but this thing only has to work out to 50 yards.

    The problem isn’t the scope, because the gun shot badly with open sights.

  5. Oran Woody Says:

    Rifles are tools and some tools are slightly better than others. If this rifle isn’t shooting well, don’t feel bad about returning it.
    As for the 1 MOA group, that’s just an easy to remember number and sometimes you’ll get groups like that easily and at other times, you won’t.
    This is what I understand to be the “why” in that statement.
    You really are dealing with two cones of accuracy.
    The first cone is the gun and ammunition. If either one is incapable of shooting 1 MOA there is nothing that anyone can do to make that gun consistently “group.”
    The second cone is how well the shooter can hold, see, squeeze the trigger and any other factors that would be in play on a calm windless day.
    Call that shooter’s cone “wobble.” If you take the center of the wobble and run it around the outside of the gun/ammo cone, the resulting bigger cone is the best average group for that shooter, gun and ammunition.
    The shooter’s cone is why using sandbags or a good rest lets the grouping get down so much tighter that those from just leaning against something and blasting away.
    You’re doing exactly right in practicing and analyzing why things aren’t meeting your expectations sometimes.
    Well done.

  6. Steve H. Says:

    The .17 HMR is amazing, because it’s a cheap gun that shoots cheap ammunition, yet it WILL shoot 1 MOA at 100 yards if the wind is calm. I can see how a cheap gun can be accurate, but the ammunition is puzzling. People who shoot bigger calibers accurately spend a ton of money on ammunition, and with .17 HMR, all I have to do is drive to the store and spend eleven dollars for 50 pre-made rounds.

    That is just crazy.

    I know it will shoot better than 1″ at 100 yards, because I got that level of accuracy, and I’m not that good. The gun’s potential has to be higher than what I get out of it.

    How can $11 ammo be that accurate?

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