Stork on the Way

April 29th, 2010

Get me Some Camo Jammies

Depending on the breaks, I may be able to take my new .308 rifle to the range tomorrow. Then I begin the unbelievable process of breaking in the barrel. The manufacturer recommends cleaning the barrel after every round for the first 25 shots. Then you have to clean it after every 10 rounds until you get to a hundred. That wouldn’t be so bad if they recommended a Boresnake, but they don’t. They recommend a cleaning rod, a jag, and patches.

Here is what one of their people says on their forum:

For “break in” cleaning – you will need to use several patches of copper solvent, not just oil, to properly remove the copper fouling. Then use your regular gun oil, fire, and repeat. I do single rounds for a while, then go to 3 round group, clean, 3 round group, clean…until I am happy.

I’m not even sure I own a rifle-length cleaning rod. I think I have one in the garage. And I didn’t know what a jag was until five minutes ago. Time to visit Bass Pro, I guess.

He doesn’t say anything about a brush. How can you remove copper without a brush? Is that even possible?

I didn’t do this with my Savage. I wonder if I was supposed to. I don’t know if a normal rod will fit in a .17-caliber barrel.

Patches don’t impress me much. I know they worked great for George Washington’s army, but this is 2010. They don’t provide much friction, they hold very little stuff, and they leave junk in the barrel unless you use a pile of them. I would think a well-aimed can of Breakfree or Bore Scrubber would be much better, since it would carry the crap out of the gun instead of just smearing it around. I would be inclined to use a Boresnake, follow it with spray, and then use patches just to see if the barrel was clean. But I am no expert.

For the guns I own now, I use the following stuff: Hornady One Shot, Powder Blast, a Sonicare toothbrush, Q-tips, paper towels, and a Boresnake. Sometimes I use brake part cleaner, taking care to keep it off plastic, wood, and paint. I think I’m getting good results. I never see anything in the barrels when I sight down them.

I really like the bipod I used yesterday. It’s a Rock Mount something or other, I think. I should look at the package. The legs are nice and long, so you don’t have to be a yoga instructor to get behind the scope. I can’t understand why anyone makes rests or bipods that don’t hold the gun up where you can sight through the scope. I’m sure there is a reason, but I am not familiar with it.

I’ll want a bipod for the .308, but I don’t know what kind to get. FAB makes one that collapses into a foregrip, but a foregrip on a 10-pound rifle unsuited for close-quarters work seems silly. The bipod I have is great, but it will not attach to a rail.

Hold it. I won’t have a rail on the bottom of my new gun. I just checked. It’s a swivel. That will work.

I have a Caldwell rest, but I don’t like it. It’s very low, and it weighs a ton, and it takes up half of my shooting box. It has occurred to me that I have the technology to make a new screw for it. The big screw that supports the bag. If it were longer, the rest would be useful. But I prefer bipods. I can’t get used to the idea of shooting from a ridiculous sled type of thing; it seems like it’s one step away from clamping the rifle in a vise and walking away and firing the gun with a remote.

A bipod requires some amount of skill, and unlike a rest, it’s something you would actually find useful in the field. I know people like heavy rests for zeroing rifles, but it appears that I should be able to get sub-MOA performance with a decent bipod, and that’s good enough for me. That’s all I ever wanted. Besides, wouldn’t a giant Frankenrest move the zero anyway? I’d have to re-zero it with the bipod later.

Yesterday I noticed that the guy next to me was also shooting .17 HMR, and he was using what appeared to be a Savage in a target stock, and he had a giant sled thing that must have weighed fifty pounds. I am surprised it didn’t have a built-in seat and an end table for his beer. He was shooting about 9 MOA. Again, I am no gun expert, but here is what common sense tells me: if you shoot that badly with a rest doing all the work, you need to dump the rest, learn to shoot without it, and then try again. He is clearly doing something wrong, and the rest is probably discouraging him from trying to learn what the problem is.

Maybe he has a medical problem that makes a sled necessary to reduce recoil. I wonder.

I hope I am not going to make sled fans angry by writing this. I know there are people who shoot from those things every time they go to the range. I know a guy who shoots a .45 ACP carbine from one, so the reason is not always related to sighting in the gun. I’m sure these guys like the results, and they are not anxious to admit the machinery is doing most of the work, or that they can’t shoot without them. But these things were never intended to be crutches. Were they? Surely not. Far as I know, you’re only supposed to use them to get your rifle and scope acquainted.

From the results I got yesterday, I think I should be able to do something like .75-MOA, shooting the Savage from a bipod. I believe I should be able to put most of a 50-shot box into a group that big at 100 yards. I have to get my scope moved forward, and I have to work on my grip and my trigger pull and my breath control, but I think this is where I’m going to end up. God willing, of course. If that’s true, a complicated rest seems pointless.

It’s very satisfying, seeing it come together. I don’t get much of a thrill out of shooting all over the target, unless I’m playing around with iron sights. I love having a gun that will do exactly what I tell it to do, when I do everything right. This takes the gun out of the equation and allows me to see my own problems more clearly, and that means I learn more and shoot better. This is why I wanted the .308. If a gun will put 50 rounds into a hole the size of a quarter, it will tell me every time I make a mistake. An inaccurate gun will always make me guess. In a situation like that, I may guess wrong and make “corrections” that actually make me shoot worse.

I have one other complaint about the Savage. The cheek weld is pretty much nonexistent. Hard to believe, from a $10 plastic stock. Maybe moving the scope will fix this. If not, I think I should look for a solution. Given the cheapness of the gun and the fantastic as-is accuracy, I am not highly motivated to get a new stock. Maybe there is a product I can screw onto it.

7 Responses to “Stork on the Way”

  1. xc Says:

    That is a crazy break in stuff. What, does the barrel get rounder or something?

    I use a rest when getting the scope/BUIS right, but I never shoot off one otherwise. I am pretty happy with “moment of head” on my FN or AR because if there is ever a zombie war that’s what I’ll need.

    -XC

  2. Kyle Says:

    There are several folks in the know – like Gale McMillan, custom rifle / barrel manufacturer – who think that the “break-in” thing is a bunch of hooey.

  3. xc Says:

    @Kyle. Right on. Seriously, hardened steel barrel versus bronze, brass, and lead. Uhhhhhh.

    Try a homeopathic break-in methodology.

    -XC

  4. blindshooter Says:

    I tried the one shot and clean break-in method on a couple barrels and then gave up and just shot as much as I wanted then cleaned. I could not tell any difference in barrel life or how many rounds before I had to clean. I even only fired moly coated bullets in one AR barrel (20 in Krieger service rifle) it shot great to 5k rounds then a chunk of one of the lands downstream of the gas port just disappeared one day. It still would shoot just fine for about 40 or 50 rounds then junk would build up in the missing spot and accuracy would go away quick. My neighbor has a hawkeye bore scope so I could actually see what goes on in a tube. Some barrels look horrible but shoot great and some look perfect and no load combination could be found that would work at all.
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    My Dad had a setback, more bleeding problems. He is getting a little discouraged but my Sister and I are working hard to keep his spirits up. During all the shake up with him in the hospital I completely forgot a jury summons, I will call tomorrow and beg them not to throw me in jail.

  5. Milo Says:

    Here is a break in I use with my new centerfire rifles,
    Forget trying it on used rifles, the bores are already seasoned and it won’t make a difference.
    Fire five rounds clean bore, a BoreSnake will work just fine but remember, they also get fouled out pretty quick and tend to pick up bits of this and bits of that,
    Fire five rounds clean bore,
    Fire ten rounds, clean bore,
    Fire twenty rounds, clean bore
    Fire thirty rounds, clean bore
    Fire fourty rounds, clean bore
    110 rounds total.
    Does it improve accuracy? I dunno, the guns shoot well enough for me.
    Does it make the gun easier to clean? I think so, I seem to use fewer patches and they seem to come out cleaner when compared to cleaning rifles I have not used this technique on in same caliber and shooting same number of rounds in one session.

    If nothing else, it is a fun way to get to know a new rifle, how it operates, and how well you are going to like shooting it, field stripping it and cleaning it.

  6. Firehand Says:

    Some of the good copper-solvent bore cleaners will just about eat a brass or bronze brush, so patches it is. The patch just spreads the stuff through the bore, you let it sit a minute or two, then a couple of clean patches to remove the solvent and dissolved fouling.

    The idea of the break-in is that by alternately firing and then cleaning, you polish out any remaining roughness in the bore; other side is that, as Kyle says, a lot of people- including some serious custom barrel makers- say that long break-in routine is a bunch of crap with a high-quality barrel. They say fire a few, clean, do that a two or three times and that should do it. With a thorough cleaning when you get home, of course.

    One cleaner I’ve become fond of is Blue Wonder; you do put it in with a brush. Saturate the brush, back & forth through the bore a few times, repeat, let it sit a while, brush and then patches to clean it all out. Best stuff I’ve found for general lead and/or powder fouling. Don’t know if you might have trouble with it getting into the gas tube on an AR.

    Generally, with copper fouling you have to put in something that’ll dissolve it or get under and float it free and let it sit a few minutes to work.

  7. Milo Says:

    I completely agree that copper solvents will eat bronze bore brushes.
    Use nylon brushes instead.

    You should never use copper solvents on a Bore Snake either.