One More Thing I Need so Bad I Can’t Hardly Stand It

April 6th, 2010

Stalking the Varmint Cong

I keep thinking about getting my first AR15. Only I think I actually want an AR10.

It’s confusing. I used to think the correct name was M16, but it turned out…wait, let me see if I have this right. Okay, “M16” is military for AR15, but apparently, an AR15 in a bigger caliber is actually an AR10. I may be wrong. I figured this out from a blog comment.

In any case, for a long time, I’ve wanted a semi-auto rifle suitable for distances over 200 yards. Why? I can’t believe you have to ask. It’s just so obvious that I need one.

I bought a PSL, which is…it gets confusing again…based on the AK74, which is based on the AK47. The PSL shoots 7.62x54mm rounds, which are sort of like 30.06 ammunition. It’s a lot of fun, but it has limitations.

First of all, the PSL is really crude, so you have to do a certain amount of work on it to make it function. For one thing, you have to replace the trigger group. If you don’t, you end up with trigger slap, which means the trigger kicks forward after each shot, so hard and so fast you can’t feel it. At the end of the day, you notice that your finger is sore and you’re shooting badly. That’s no good.

I put a Red Star trigger in the gun, and since then, it has never worked right. The other day, it occurred to me that I might have installed the hammer backward. Or, rather, not backward. Some aftermarket triggers (one, at least) require you to install the hammer backward, which is more than a little confusing. I need to take the gun out and check, but in any case, it is not working. When it did work, it shot well, but not really well. Supposedly the accuracy drops when the barrel gets warm. On top of that, there used to be lots of cheap top-quality Soviet ammunition available, but now it’s gone, so you have to suffer with dubious surplus probably made in people’s garages in the former USSR and Hungary and China.

I bought a K31. It shoots well, but the scope is permanently out of alignment with the barrel. I bought an aftermarket mount to make a Burriss scope fit the gun, and at the most extreme adjustment, it’s off by six inches at 100 yards. I could fix it by jamming a piece of a Coke can in there, but I’d rather have something that works without being subjected to Sanford and Son modifications. And the K31 is not semi-automatic.

Someone suggested the 6.5mm Grendel version of the AR10. This is an interesting thing. The stupidly named Grendel is a caliber invented by a guy named Alexander. Apparently he was not happy with the .308, because it slowed down too much at long distances. The Grendel is still supersonic at 1200 yards, according to highly reliable Internet forum blatherings I Googled. Can that be right? That seems like a long way. Anyhow, it shoots farther than the .308. Sort of.

Unfortunately, Mr. Alexander registered “Grendel” as a trademark, effectively killing industry interest in it. As I understand it, you can make Grendel ammunition and Grendel rifles all day, but you can’t call them “Grendel,” or else you get sued. This makes it hard for other people to join in the fun, so the popularity of the round may be doomed. Once that happens, you might as well have a Commodore Amiga in your gun case. I cite the sad demise of .440 Cor-Bon as an example.

Les Baer (genuflect) makes an extremely similar gun called the .264 something or other. Word on the street is, Mr. Baer got mad at someone who works with Mr. Alexander, and he decided he did not want to deal with them, so he made a gun which will chamber the Grendel round, and he did not trademark anything. The problem with this is, his gun is a Les Baer, so it costs approximately 3 googol dollars or the ratio of Barack Obama’s ego to his achievements expressed in shares of Berkshire Hathaway, whereas you can buy a licensed Grendel rifle for the low price of the weight of Col. Jeff Cooper in rubies. In other words, the new round is a big economic boon to Mr. Baer, but not to anyone else. In fact, it is so unhelpful to shooters, it was pointless for me to mention it.

I don’t know a whole lot about long distance shooting. It amazes me that a 6.5mm bullet can hurt anything. But I suppose it can, because people buy them. It’s close to the same diameter as a .25 caliber pistol round, which is like being shot with an unusually spunky BB gun.

Hmm…it looks like the Grendel is actually an AR15, which somehow manages to combine low recoil with long distance punch. But the AR10 is available in .260 Remington and 6.5 Creedmoor, which are better than 6.5 Grendel at long distances. I think. Maybe.

Man, this is confusing.

The reality is, I am extremely unlikely to find the opportunity to shoot at anything over a hundred yards away. You have to get pretty far out to need a caliber that shoots well at six hundred yards, and I have a feeling that will never happen in my lifetime. But does that really matter? Of COURSE not.

I don’t know why this little bullet would shoot well at long ranges. Maybe it’s long and thin. My dim memories of studying physics tell me the performance of bullet should be limited by the amount of mass in the channel in front of it, compared to the mass of the bullet, so a longer bullet ought to hold its speed better at long ranges.

I am pretty sure I know less about rifles right now than I did before I started studying this topic.

19 Responses to “One More Thing I Need so Bad I Can’t Hardly Stand It”

  1. Ed Bonderenka Says:

    Have you had your medication this evening sir?

  2. Cliff Says:

    I have an AR-15 (.223) and a FN-FAL (.308) and love them both.

    If I wanted to shoot a person at 200 yards I would take the AR. It is a bull barrel carbine with a match trigger and can drive tacks. (It is also for sale – my wife walked into my gun closet – oops).

    If I wanted to shoot a car at 200 yards I would take my FN-FAL. It is a standard barrel with a match trigger. And it is moment-of-headlight accurate.

    Different tools. Both a ton of fun.

    -XC

  3. Steve H. Says:

    “Have you had your medication this evening sir?”
    .
    I had some Bluebell banana pudding flavor ice cream.

  4. Bobsled bob Says:

    If you go the .308 route in an AR, The main mags are the DPMS version. more lowers are made to fit these mags than others.and are “reasonably” priced compaired to the other style.
    for the ar-15 .223 route, the hipower guys use 77 grain hornadys to punch paper at 600yards. Pick one, start with a stripped lower as you can put match grade triggers etc, fancy barrels/uppers as you learn. they are lots of fun.
    bob

  5. TEB Says:

    Steve,
    Really good quality Ar-15s like Rock River are cheap right now.
    Buy one and if you want a better caliber like the Grendel or 6.8 SPC buy an upper (and magazines) in the new caliber.

    But the AR-15 in 5.56 / .223 is a must have.

  6. Tom Says:

    If you look around, you’ll see a lot of african shooters speaking well of the 6.5×55 (swedish mauser) and the 6.5×54 round. Been around for a very long time and have taken elephants (yes, really), polar bears, and moose. The swedish mauser is a spectacular cartridge, and, dare I say it, very suitable for handloading. A quick link for you…http://www.chuckhawks.com/6-5×55.htm
    I’d probably go with a modern model from CZ to take advantage of modern ammunition and the potential of handloading.

  7. Ritchie Says:

    Cliff: You have a *walk in* gun *closet*??

    Steve: Just to keep you busy- http://demigodllc.com/articles/practical-long-range-rifle-shooting-equipment/

    These guys sometimes put on a field rifle match involving walking a course and shooting at targets at unknown ranges, said targets at unknown locations. This happens in Colorado at 5 or 6000 feet elevation. Much fun for the young and sturdy which lets me off the hook.

  8. JPatterson Says:

    Heh – you need to check out Boomershoot: http://boomershoot.org/

  9. Virgil Says:

    “it costs approximately 3 googol dollars or the ratio of Barack Obama’s ego to his achievements expressed in shares of Berkshire Hathaway”

    …that right there is dang funny sir…and I’m with Ed in questioning the meds…but stay on the ice cream and keep writing…

  10. Jonathan Says:

    How about a Garand from the CMP? You may or may not like Garands, but it’s a treat to buy a rifle from a quasi-governmental agency. You can get an AR too.

  11. Jeff the Baptist Says:

    The big difference between the AR10 and AR15 is action length. AR15s are sized for 5.56. AR10s have a longer action and magwell so that they can shoot .308/7.62 NATO. Caliber has very little to do with it as the AR15 has been chambered for .22 through .50 beowulf.

    Honestly, I went 5.56. If I want to shoot something over a couple hundred yards away, I intend to keep a few marked mags with one of the civilian versions of the Mk262 to give me additional reach. Otherwise it’s 55 grain M193.

  12. Ed Bonderenka Says:

    The next question would seem to be: traditional AR or piston AR? My son likes his Sig 556 (which I believe is only AR similar).
    Too many choices. Isn’t America grand?

  13. Jeff the Baptist Says:

    “How about a Garand from the CMP? You may or may not like Garands, but it’s a treat to buy a rifle from a quasi-governmental agency.”

    It’s even more of a treat when they deliver it to your door without having to go through FFL middlemen.

  14. Steve H. Says:

    I think the Garand would be great, but if you think about it, it’s just an American K31 in semi-auto.

  15. Cliff Says:

    @Ritchie – Well, I have a closet with a lock on the door that is full of guns and ammo. So, yeah, I guess so.

    Hey, in my defense, that stuff is bulky!

    -XC

  16. Jeff the Baptist Says:

    You write that as if an American k31 in semi-auto isn’t totally awesome.

  17. Steve H. Says:

    It’s awesome unless you want something else.

  18. Milo Says:

    [img]http://www.fototime.com/CA829DAB07CA96A/standard.jpg[/img]
    PTR91, 7.62X51/.308.
    Brugger and Thome scope plate, American Defenbse one piece ring set 30mm diameter, IOR Valdada scope.
    Ammo is still expensive enough without getting into proprietary cartridges and 168 grain .308 will still reach out and touch things at distances I can’t clarify with the naked eye.

  19. Ron Says:

    Among all your talents and interest, it’s nice to know that you’re also a ‘health nut’..Bluebell Ice Cream and Krystal gut grenades completes a tasty training table…… kidding of course.
    .
    enjoy your blog daily, thanks for sharing.