I am an Electronics Genius

April 30th, 2009

Programming a VFD is a Waste of my Giant Cranium

Today the new old motor for my lathe arrived. It looked like it came from Al Capone’s vault. The paint was in bad shape, and it was beaten up. But when I connected the VFD, it ran. Not smoothly, but it did run.

I had to get down on the garage floor to get the bolts out of the base of the old motor. Then I had to contort myself into the space behind the lathe to get the wiring hacked out of the conduit and boxes. Getting the pulley stack off the old shaft was a joy, believe me. Then I had to persuade the key to come out of the shaft keyway with a hammer and punch. I cleaned the pulleys with the last of my orange-based gun spray, and I put the pulleys on the “new” motor. I guess I’m ready to install it in the lathe. TOMORROW.

The motor I got today is nothing to write home about. People talk about how great old industrial motors are. I have my doubts. This thing makes a sound on every revolution, so my guess is that the bearings are not great, and the shaft looks like someone used it as a johnson bar.

When I put it on the VFD, it made a whistling sound so loud and shrill it was not acceptable. It would drive you crazy to use the lathe with that noise going on. I figured something was loose in the motor, but it turns out the signal to the motor has a pulse frequency, and that’s the problem. Apparently the waveform of each phase is made up of spiky digital pulses at a much higher frequency. I’m guessing here from a picture I saw. Somehow, if you let the pulses get too far apart, it makes your motor whistle. If you let them get too close together, it creates RF interference. On my VFD, you can vary it between 5 KHz and 14 KHz. I decided to ramp it right up to 14. To hell with the radio. Then I felt bad about my neighbors, and I decided to test it. The RF made Todd Schnitt’s show sound bad in the garage, but in my car, twenty feet away, he sounded fine. Who cares about radio interference that disappears after twenty feet? I ran it right back up to 14, and now the whistle is very quiet and sort of pleasant.

I found a really nice Baldor on Ebay for a small fraction of retail. I am considering buying it. The frame is the same. It should work fine. But I want to be sure the VFD won’t kill it. I know I can get an inverter-ready motor, but I’ll have to wait until one becomes available at a price I like. I’m not sure if it’s necessary.

I loves me some Baldor.

A thread on Practical Machinist says failure of a standard motor due to inverter use is nearly unheard-of, so maybe this is the thing to get. I can sell both of the motors the lathe seller gave me. Maybe I’ll get part of my investment back. I’ll say they APPEAR TO HAVE VERY LITTLE USE. That phrase worked on me. Maybe it will work on someone else.

A company called Orion makes add-on fans for motors running on VFDs. Neat.

I guess I haven’t learned my lesson, because I am corresponding with another machinery dealer. And it looks like I can get a Chinese split air conditioner for the same price as an American unit, without cutting giant holes in the wall. I don’t know if it will really cool 600 square feet, but I’d be happy if it even came close. It’s 12000 BTUs. I guess I could sit right next to it and pour ice down my pants.

If the garage gets too swanky, I’m afraid I’ll never leave.

I have been trying to find the best way to mount the VFD, and I think the answer is to get rid of the drum switch completely (using the VFD to reverse the motor), mount a piece of stiff sheet metal to the back of the headstock (over existing bolts) and mount the VFD to the metal. It would be right in my face, ready to use. Beautiful. Oddly, I happen to have a piece of sheet metal that would be perfect. This would be a good excuse to make a template and do some plasma cutting. Or I could make a plywood support instead, which would give me an excuse to run the mighty Powermatic.

This will be sweet. Some day I may even make something.

6 Responses to “I am an Electronics Genius”

  1. og Says:

    you want to mount tat on some unistrut.

  2. Leo Says:

    Steve, two quick things. First, make the support for the VFD out of sheet metal. You’ll save yourself redoing it when you realize that it should have been sheet metal to start with.
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    Second. That orange gun spray probably has a base of D limonene, that would be what gives it the orange odor. That is great stuff to clean with. Mixed about three parts D limonene and one part 9 Mol Nonylphenyl ethoxylate and it will clean and degrease anything. One big added bonus is that NPE is one of those surfactants that send the greenies into coniptions.

  3. Virgil Says:

    Move into the garage with the birds and sublease the balance of the house to get cash to buy metal stock…

  4. Dan from Madison Says:

    “Chinese split air conditioner” – I do HVAC distribution for a living and can help you with this if you drop me an email. It is the least I can do for introducing me to the greaseburger.

  5. Ric Locke Says:

    Steve, the VFD needs a heat sink, a hefty one. DO NOT mount it on something that’s a heat insulator, like plywood. The problem is less acute because you have a 3-HP VFD and a 2-HP motor, so the VFD isn’t working as hard as it might, but heat sinking is still important.

    I don’t know which VFD you bought. Cheap ones tend not to have much heat sinking built in, they just end in a flat aluminum plate. Those need to have computer or amplifier-style heat sinks, with fins. More expensive ones have heat sinks on the back, with openings top and bottom to allow air flow. Those need either a bigger metal plate to attach them to, or a fan to drive air over the fins. You might be able to get away with a very low duty cycle, use the lathe for a few minutes then leave it alone for a while to let the VFD cool down.

    Check the dumpsters outside car audio places. The amps that generate the irritating-at-a-hundred-yards bass thump need a lot of heat sinking, and they die a lot, which is pure profit for the people who sell them. The heat sink from a 2 KW car amp would be just right for your 3 HP VFD.

    Motors that make noise when driven by pulse width modulation, as you describe, should be replaced or worked on by a motor shop. The stators, where the coils are, are supposed to be vacuumed down, then soaked in a type of lacquer that holds everything in place. If that has deteriorated, or wasn’t very good to start with, the rapid changes in magnetic flux make the windings and iron pole-stacks vibrate. If you let that continue something will eventually break, probably a winding from work-hardening, which can result in anything from a mysterious stop to sparks and flame. It’s also possible that the rotor has loose laminations for the same reason. That won’t cause it to fail, but its efficiency will be reduced and it’ll transmit high-frequency vibrations up the shaft.

    Regards,
    Ric

  6. jdunmyer Says:

    Steve,
    If the VFD proves to be insufficient, you might look into this new product:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuhYd9L_d7w&eurl=http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f7/you-laugh-you-lose-799272/index471.html&feature=player_embedded