Good Deal on AK-47 Ammunition
February 27th, 2009Hurry
Here is something hard to understand.
Midway USA has Wolf 7.62x39mm ammunition for $235/1000 rounds. It’s not the Military Classic, but I think the difference is just the coating. Anyway, it’s non-corrosive, and it’s fairly cheap, and NOBODY HAS CHEAP AK AMMUNITION RIGHT NOW.
I bought a Vz 58. If Obama wants to repeal the second amendment, he will have to repeal the fourth in order to disarm me.
I hope my laser’s mount will fit the barrel. Once I have this thing working, I should be able to kill burglars just by scaring them to death.
I didn’t go with CZ-USA. I got one of the jobs Czechpoint sells. They’re supposed to be excellent, and they’re cheaper, and they’re actually available.
You can find cheaper ammunition, but as far as I know, it’s all corrosive. And while this isn’t super-premium stuff, and I got it for the gun range, it should be really good for killing people.
Someone asked why I didn’t get an M1 carbine. Good question. I still want one. I think they’re insanely cool. But the Vz 58 strikes me as a bit more lethal, with a high capacity and great reliability. Maybe I’m wrong.
February 27th, 2009 at 7:46 PM
M1’s have not killed as many commies as AK’s but more good guys have killed commies with them.
I have an AK-74 from freaking Bulgaria. Krep. But never not firing krep. Perfect gun for women and children.
-XC
February 27th, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Corrosive 7.62×39 is actually pretty scarce these days. The new production stuff isn’t corrosive. From what I understand, the old corrosive milsurp supplies have been sold off.
And this post is useless without pictures!!!
February 28th, 2009 at 9:31 AM
If you want corrosive, try Classic Arms. They’re selling Yugoslavian stuff they advertise as “mildly corrosive.”
February 28th, 2009 at 11:42 AM
I have a couple thousand rounds of Wolf I bought at $80 a thou. Kills me that I didn’t buy ten theousand at the time.
The M1 Carbine is the coolest shooting US military arm ever, and it’s nothing but sweet to shoot. With hollowpoints it’s quite effective, and with a paratrooper stock, it’s like a big handgun. Plus you can get a Ruger revolver chambered for the cartridge, which rocks.
And who wouldn’t want a rifle designed in a sweatbox by a prisoner trying to reform himself?
February 28th, 2009 at 11:44 AM
You characters are going to give me nightmares about not buying an M1 carbine. Look, I can’t buy EVERYTHING.
February 28th, 2009 at 12:15 PM
The very best part, is that you already have the PERFECT reloading press for M1 carbine rounds.
February 28th, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Go away.
March 1st, 2009 at 7:18 AM
Wolf – it’s not brass, it’s steel. There’s a coating of some sort on it. The hot rifle maybe makes it gum up the chamber. Also, the steel is of course harder than the brass.
Whatever the cause the ejector on my carbine lost a little of the lip that grasps the spent cartridge, necessitating picking/prying the spent rounds from the chamber with the screwdriver on my Swiss Army Knife. This happened at the range in front of fellow gun nuts.
The new ejector wasn’t expensive, but I bought two new bolts too, they were more expensive, but spare parts are like ammo – when you don’t have them and need them, the store will be closed.
Anyway – Wolf ammo – I wouldn’t buy it again.
The carbine is still too cool. Fired a XD 40 S&W and it’s a damn fine pistol, but gimme my carbine!!!! I want another so it’s not necessary to share with the wife.
March 1st, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Congrats on a fine gun! How about some Glenn Reynolds type photos… only IN focus, please.
Wolf is just fine for commie guns.
If you can find some Golden Tiger, snap it up. It’s much cleaner than Wolf. And it doesn’t smell like the head floor of a tuna clipper. I bought a few cases when it was ~139/1000. Should have bought 20.
Below are a few links for commie optics. I have a Kobra red-dot on my AK and love it. It’s built like a tank.
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/default.aspx
http://www.avtomats-in-action.com/index.html
March 1st, 2009 at 10:17 AM
I figured I would use Wolf for the range and maybe something more expensive for pureeing the guts and knees of home intruders. This is the first time I’ve heard anything about steel-cased ammunition damaging a gun.
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Were it not for such ammunition, I think I would have to retire the PSL. The Russian sniper stuff is cheap, deadly, and accurate, but the cases are steel. I can’t recall seeing any 7.62×54 in brass. If they exist, they’re probably either vastly inferior to the Russian stuff or way more expensive.
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Do I really need a scope for a gun I’ll never use at ranges of over a hundred feet? The whole point of the laser is to avoid that. And I plan to shoot it folded.
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I think it’s pointless to post Insta-quality photos, since that requires composition with no discernible subject. The gun would be out of the frame. And it would be fatuous to try to equal the master with focused photos. Also, I’m not sure my camera is expensive enough; that’s what really matters.
March 1st, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Steel case ammo problems can occur with guns like the AR-15 because they have much tighter tolerances than commie rifles. Stories of broken AR extractors and stuck cases abound on the intarweb. I shoot nothing but steel cased stuff through my AK and SKSes and after thousands of rounds have never had a problem.
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I wouldn’t bother with a scope. But a good red dot sight (don’t bother with cheap ones, especially on a home defense weapon) helps you acquire your target must faster than iron sights. Plus, you can keep both eyes open.
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There are pluses and minuses to the laser. It’s biggest drawback is it gives your position away. On the upside, it sure as heck makes aiming easier. I have one on a .38 snubbie. Using it cuts my 10 yard group size in half.
March 1st, 2009 at 8:00 PM
Don’t ruin the CZ-58 with a sight rail and scope or red dot. That thing is a work of art. Beautiful rifles. If it was an AK – go for it.
The commie guns are built for steel case. Don’t worry about it.
Congrats on the purchase of a FINE weapon.
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:42 AM
Yeah, don’t worry about feeding an AK-derivative steel cased ammo. An AR’s a different story. (Basically, buy a spare extractor first. 🙂 )
I wouldn’t’ suggest Wolf for home defense. It’s not *bad*, just not *as good* as what you can get at Wal-Mart. Remington or Winchester make hunting ammo with soft points that open up and cause a much more severe wound channel than Wolf.
I’ve got a cheap (50ish lumens) light from CDNN on the shotgun next to the bed, but I’ve heard some killer things about Olights: http://www.olightworld.com/proi/cn/product_detail.asp?productid=438
Including that the strobe will induce nausea in *daylight*. I want 2. One for either side of the SAR-1 that’s next to the shotgun.
I’d say practice with the wolf, spend a few dollars more to ensure the Rem/Win works fine, and then have that in the “home” magazine.
Wolf can work, but their “hollow point” really isn’t what we cnsider a hollow point – it doesn’t expand like you’d expect. (I say from my experience having shot a deer with it). The Remington and Winchesters opened up very nicely and did much more damage.
Somewhere, I used to have a picture of typical rifle calibers shot into ballistics gel – the difference between the military and “hunting” 7.62x39mm was staggering.
I also second firmly the “Buy ammo now”. It’s unlikely to get cheaper, and I’ve heard that ATF is sitting on import permits on ammo now. Heard 2, one that it’s due to Obama admin pressure, and one that Obama administration hasn’t said anything yet, but the lickspittles are anticipating and acting accordingly.
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:11 AM
So it sounds like any good hunting ammunition will do. Thanks for the info.
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This is the great thing about long guns. You don’t need to drive yourself crazy looking for ammunition that works. I carry a 9mm, and were it not for my faith in Cor-Bon, I would already have sold it. I wouldn’t trust a caliber this puny with anything but top-notch, heavily researched ammunition. But good AK ammunition is everywhere.
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Yeah, it’ll do *better*.
But as you know, this is a hotly debated and contested issue…
Carry what you shoot well. Get good bullets for it, and you should be fine.
I was talking to a retired cop at an IDPA shoot last month, and he was relating a shooting he was involved in with a very deranged and mal-medicated man. He had a knife and had apparently attacked several people, one officer hit his arm with a nightstick trying to make him drop the knife – breaking both bones, and he – with 2 broken bones – stabbed the knife into his body armor. As he charged the guy I know, he fired 3 times. .45 Hydra-Shoks. First ripped through a heart chamber, second completely demolished the inferior vena cava, the third he pulled down and hit the leg, shattering the upper bone.
The third shot had the most immediate effect, putting him down on a knee, then on the ground. As EMT’s came in to try and administer first aid, he managed to stab the knife into the body armor of another cop.
Either one of his first two shots were nonsurvivable. But the effect wasn’t felt for 30 seconds. Your 9 can do the same damage. Part of the reason that rifle rounds are “more effective” isn’t that they impart more energy – that .45 or your 9 at that range will impart more energy than the target can sustain, just like a rifle, but that the damage occurs WAY OVER THERE, where you’re not within retaliation distance. 🙂 (A rifle shot to the skull at close range is another story, but that’s another story.)
I have to fess up that I’m currently carrying Remington wal-mart 9mm HPs in my carry gun, since I haven’t been able to find enough good +Ps at affordable prices to test. But I can shoot the BHP well enough that I’m comfortable with that.
There are 3 tangible keys to successful handgun self-defense. In order:
* Have a handgun
* Be prepared with it (mindset)
* Bullet placement
Everything else including bullet performance is intangible, and you can at best simulate. Heck, I’ve recommended a .22 Mag for self defense in the past. (wrist injury amplified by medical malpractice, even a .38 recoils too much.)
Carry your 9 proudly. Be secure in your caliber choice.
(“Isn’t that a wimpy caliber?” my wife said to me when I bought the BHP. )
But in this case, really good performance is available for not a whole lot more, so I’d use it.
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:43 AM
I chose the 9 because it was the smallest Glock or Glock-like pistol I could find, with a decent capacity. Also, I had been brainwashed to believe the .45 was hard to shoot. What a joke. It’s a much friendlier caliber than .40 S&W. I have considered going to a Glock 30 in .45 ACP, but it’s bigger than the 9mm.
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The Glock 26 is super accurate. I don’t know why so few people realize it. That short barrel makes no difference whatsoever.
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Your three-shot-perp story makes me wonder if we are too prejudiced against shooting for the face. Seems to me that once you’ve hit someone in the leg and the heart, you have proven you can shoot under pressure, and the face is worth a go. It should have an incapacitating effect shots to other body parts can’t equal.
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Your wife sounds like a find.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:31 PM
I’ve got and sometimes carry a G-30, I just don’t shoot it well with the big grip, it’s angle, and the short sight radius. If you shoot a -26 well, shouldn’t faze you. The “inaccuracy” of the short barrel is all about sight radius. Off a bench I can hit 2L bottles with the .38 snubby @ 100 yards on a good day.
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The wife *is* a catch.
She asked for (and got) a Commander 1911.
She loves bacon, pizza*, BBQ (has a family recipe for sauce that is good enough that I don’t miss my S. Carolina Mustard-based too much).
She cooks, loves to garden, and sends me out on the weekends to have fun.
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For Christmas she bought me a Lee turret reloading press.
Plus, you can launch 2 cantaloupes into low earth orbit with her bra and some bungee cord!
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* – Started making pizza dough based on your recipe, she’s hooked. Now there’s only 1 place I can buy it in town – my pizza exceeds all the chains. Just the 1 family-run restaurant beats my pizza – and they want $12/pie!
They did give me some constructive suggestions, including instead of blooming the yeast, mixing it in with the flour, and adding icewater. Then let rise at least 1 day in the fridge. From a taste perspective, that’s a real winner. I’m still trying to figure out why it’s not stretchy and chewy enough. Using King Arthur Bread, and even tossing in additional gluten, mixing for 15 minutes in a kitchen-aid (Going to try it in a food processor next time.), and it’s *good*. Better than anybody save Giovanni’s. It’s just not quite stretchy enough.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:36 PM
I really wanted to do traditional dough that you make a day before, but I just could not. How do you let dough sit in the fridge when you could be MAKING PIZZA? It was too hard for me.
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I’m glad you got some use out of the recipe. I think I gave people a good, solid start, which is really all you can hope for.
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You can always fool around with different flours. I am not a big fan of the 00 stuff, but a lot of people love it. And there’s always the forum at pizzamaking.com.