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		<title>By: Jim Dunmyer</title>
		<link>http://toolsofrenewal.com/?p=3886&#038;cpage=1#comment-6158</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Dunmyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,
 Tyler has the right idea. They do sell such hammer/wrench combos; the wrench part is generally 3/4&quot;. You don&#039;t  need to really reef on the drawbar; I&#039;d guess it&#039;s less than 20 ft-lbs.

Making your hammer/wrench is a great idea, go for it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,<br />
 Tyler has the right idea. They do sell such hammer/wrench combos; the wrench part is generally 3/4&#8243;. You don&#8217;t  need to really reef on the drawbar; I&#8217;d guess it&#8217;s less than 20 ft-lbs.</p>
<p>Making your hammer/wrench is a great idea, go for it!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve H.</title>
		<link>http://toolsofrenewal.com/?p=3886&#038;cpage=1#comment-6148</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds good, if the brass is hard enough. My mill hasn&#039;t arrived yet, so I don&#039;t know what kind of torque it takes. I think the socket stem would be a whole lot easier to machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds good, if the brass is hard enough. My mill hasn&#8217;t arrived yet, so I don&#8217;t know what kind of torque it takes. I think the socket stem would be a whole lot easier to machine.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Youngblood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Youngblood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No no, I know you weren&#039;t complaining about the plans. 

I hadn&#039;t thought to make the head out of brass and forgo the faces. That&#039;s a good idea. 

However, if you want to use it for your drawbar, may I suggest you make one side of the hammer head into a socket (or into a 1/4 or 1/2 socket stem, and attach an appropriate size socket to it). That way you can loosen the drawbar and flip the hammer over to give it a tap. 1 tool, 2 jobs. What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No no, I know you weren&#8217;t complaining about the plans. </p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t thought to make the head out of brass and forgo the faces. That&#8217;s a good idea. </p>
<p>However, if you want to use it for your drawbar, may I suggest you make one side of the hammer head into a socket (or into a 1/4 or 1/2 socket stem, and attach an appropriate size socket to it). That way you can loosen the drawbar and flip the hammer over to give it a tap. 1 tool, 2 jobs. What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the help, Tyler. I&#039;m sure it&#039;s obvious that I&#039;m not complaining about the plans. It&#039;s pretty clear the problem is with the operator.
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I chose 304 for the handle, but I was still planning to use brass for the head, without the soft faces. I thought it might be good for banging the nut on my mill drawbar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the help, Tyler. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s obvious that I&#8217;m not complaining about the plans. It&#8217;s pretty clear the problem is with the operator.<br />
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I chose 304 for the handle, but I was still planning to use brass for the head, without the soft faces. I thought it might be good for banging the nut on my mill drawbar.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Youngblood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Youngblood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve, 

I&#039;m sorry you&#039;re having trouble with the soft faced hammer plans, but if it makes you feel any better, I scrapped the project twice before I got it right. 

If I may make a few suggestions, maybe I can help. First, 304 stainless is far less forgiving than aluminum, which is what I made my hammer out of. It&#039;s not as durable as stainless, but the hammer could be made fully functional by putting a pin into the head (the threaded head of my aluminum hammer comes loose with vigorous use). Locktite might also be an option. But I&#039;m happy with the aluminum version for &quot;light&quot; hammering, which is what a soft faced hammer is good for anyway. 

I didn&#039;t turn the project between centers, but I had the benefit of a taper attachment, so that&#039;s how I got the taper to work. If your compound slide has enough travel, you can definitely use that to put in your taper. Or you can buy/make a lathe dog for use with a proper face plate and do it that way. The only issue there is you mess with the alignment of the tailstock, which I try to avoid. 

I&#039;d suggest trying to use your compound to cut the taper. If you only have 2&quot; of travel, change the taper to 2&quot;. It would look different, but that&#039;s fine, its your hammer. 

Also, if you try to cut a taper using your compound, make sure to take light cuts. It sounds like you started cutting at the wide end of the taper, and by the time you got to the narrow end of the taper (3&quot; later, up by the threads) you were cutting too much material. Instead, do it the other way. Start 1/4 inch back from the end of the taper and cut 1/4 inch in the direction of the threads, toward the radius. Your cut should gradually get a bit deeper, but since you&#039;re only going 1/4&quot; (and not 3&quot;), the increased depth of cut shouldn&#039;t be an issue. Once you have made that first pass, the rest of the cuts will be parallel to that first pass (thus no gradual increase to your depth of cut). After you&#039;ve made that first pass of 1/4&quot; or so, back your compound away from the part, then back along the axis of the taper you just cut. Your next pass should be 3/8&quot; or so, then 1/2, .... all the way until your last pass takes a finish cut along the entire 3&quot; taper. 

It&#039;s hard to explain. I really should make a video because it&#039;s much easier if you see it done. As far as the radius goes, I used a tool with the proper radius to cut the taper, so when the taper was finished, the radius was already present. The radius on the end of the hammer was done with a file while the part was turning (make sure to hold the file backwards, with the tang facing away from you and cut from underneath the part, not on top - that way if the part rips the file out of your hand it will be pulled away from you). And of course, use a file with a handle whenever possible. No handle? Find an old golf ball, drill, and attach to the end of the tang. Tangs are sharp and dangerous. 

You&#039;ll need a mill to bore and tap the head of the hammer (where the handle attaches). You could do it on the lathe, but holding the part would require some significant workholding via the faceplate (I wouldn&#039;t try it in a 4-jaw chuck, and a 3-jaw wouldn&#039;t work at all). The threaded portions of the head where the faces attach are drilled on the lathe, but tapped after the larger hole is drilled, bored, and tapped on the mill.

For practice I single pointed the threads on the handle, but they can be cut with much less effort using a die. One of the scrapped handles was due to a mistake I made while cutting the threads. 

Let me know if you&#039;d be interested in me making a video of the process. I don&#039;t really need another hammer, but I&#039;d be happy to make a video if you think it would help (and if I can find the time). 

Drop me a comment if you run into any other problems. I&#039;d be happy to help in any way I can. I&#039;m still learning too, so I remember how frustrating those first few projects were to master. But once you learn how to do all the steps in the hammer (turn down the dia, turn a taper, file a radius, knurl, single point (or tap/die) threads) you&#039;ve got a very strong foundation and a good understanding of how the lathe works. That&#039;s why the hammer, although difficult, is a great first project. 

I&#039;ve got another beginner project (a plumb bob) that uses hex stock, so if you&#039;re interested in that (instead of the screw jack), let me know. Although the plumb bob is meant to be turned out of brass, not stainless. But stainless would work too. 

Good luck!

Tyler Youngblood
ProjectsInMetal.com
Seattle, WA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;re having trouble with the soft faced hammer plans, but if it makes you feel any better, I scrapped the project twice before I got it right. </p>
<p>If I may make a few suggestions, maybe I can help. First, 304 stainless is far less forgiving than aluminum, which is what I made my hammer out of. It&#8217;s not as durable as stainless, but the hammer could be made fully functional by putting a pin into the head (the threaded head of my aluminum hammer comes loose with vigorous use). Locktite might also be an option. But I&#8217;m happy with the aluminum version for &#8220;light&#8221; hammering, which is what a soft faced hammer is good for anyway. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t turn the project between centers, but I had the benefit of a taper attachment, so that&#8217;s how I got the taper to work. If your compound slide has enough travel, you can definitely use that to put in your taper. Or you can buy/make a lathe dog for use with a proper face plate and do it that way. The only issue there is you mess with the alignment of the tailstock, which I try to avoid. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest trying to use your compound to cut the taper. If you only have 2&#8243; of travel, change the taper to 2&#8243;. It would look different, but that&#8217;s fine, its your hammer. </p>
<p>Also, if you try to cut a taper using your compound, make sure to take light cuts. It sounds like you started cutting at the wide end of the taper, and by the time you got to the narrow end of the taper (3&#8243; later, up by the threads) you were cutting too much material. Instead, do it the other way. Start 1/4 inch back from the end of the taper and cut 1/4 inch in the direction of the threads, toward the radius. Your cut should gradually get a bit deeper, but since you&#8217;re only going 1/4&#8243; (and not 3&#8243;), the increased depth of cut shouldn&#8217;t be an issue. Once you have made that first pass, the rest of the cuts will be parallel to that first pass (thus no gradual increase to your depth of cut). After you&#8217;ve made that first pass of 1/4&#8243; or so, back your compound away from the part, then back along the axis of the taper you just cut. Your next pass should be 3/8&#8243; or so, then 1/2, &#8230;. all the way until your last pass takes a finish cut along the entire 3&#8243; taper. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to explain. I really should make a video because it&#8217;s much easier if you see it done. As far as the radius goes, I used a tool with the proper radius to cut the taper, so when the taper was finished, the radius was already present. The radius on the end of the hammer was done with a file while the part was turning (make sure to hold the file backwards, with the tang facing away from you and cut from underneath the part, not on top &#8211; that way if the part rips the file out of your hand it will be pulled away from you). And of course, use a file with a handle whenever possible. No handle? Find an old golf ball, drill, and attach to the end of the tang. Tangs are sharp and dangerous. </p>
<p>You&#8217;ll need a mill to bore and tap the head of the hammer (where the handle attaches). You could do it on the lathe, but holding the part would require some significant workholding via the faceplate (I wouldn&#8217;t try it in a 4-jaw chuck, and a 3-jaw wouldn&#8217;t work at all). The threaded portions of the head where the faces attach are drilled on the lathe, but tapped after the larger hole is drilled, bored, and tapped on the mill.</p>
<p>For practice I single pointed the threads on the handle, but they can be cut with much less effort using a die. One of the scrapped handles was due to a mistake I made while cutting the threads. </p>
<p>Let me know if you&#8217;d be interested in me making a video of the process. I don&#8217;t really need another hammer, but I&#8217;d be happy to make a video if you think it would help (and if I can find the time). </p>
<p>Drop me a comment if you run into any other problems. I&#8217;d be happy to help in any way I can. I&#8217;m still learning too, so I remember how frustrating those first few projects were to master. But once you learn how to do all the steps in the hammer (turn down the dia, turn a taper, file a radius, knurl, single point (or tap/die) threads) you&#8217;ve got a very strong foundation and a good understanding of how the lathe works. That&#8217;s why the hammer, although difficult, is a great first project. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got another beginner project (a plumb bob) that uses hex stock, so if you&#8217;re interested in that (instead of the screw jack), let me know. Although the plumb bob is meant to be turned out of brass, not stainless. But stainless would work too. </p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
<p>Tyler Youngblood<br />
ProjectsInMetal.com<br />
Seattle, WA</p>
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		<title>By: Steve H.</title>
		<link>http://toolsofrenewal.com/?p=3886&#038;cpage=1#comment-6142</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Virgil. I&#039;ve seen plans like that. I think I&#039;m going to have to break down and do it, because used attachments cost a grand or more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Virgil. I&#8217;ve seen plans like that. I think I&#8217;m going to have to break down and do it, because used attachments cost a grand or more.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve H.</title>
		<link>http://toolsofrenewal.com/?p=3886&#038;cpage=1#comment-6141</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a fun question for you. Ever grab a disk you burned over a year ago, only to find that the data on it had disappeared? I have. Hope you made sure the media you used is bulletproof, and that the storage conditions are perfect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a fun question for you. Ever grab a disk you burned over a year ago, only to find that the data on it had disappeared? I have. Hope you made sure the media you used is bulletproof, and that the storage conditions are perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: Sigivald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sigivald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RAID 1 is a &quot;backup&quot; only in case of single drive failure.

Real backups are on a different computer or offline entirely, so you won&#039;t lose everything if, say, a failing power supply causes your disk controller to write garbage to *both drives*. Or user error, OS bug, or virus causes the filesystems on both to get eaten.

Seriously, if you actually care about any piece of data, it should be copied off of the machine onto another one. Ideally onto a piece of media stored off-site.

(I&#039;m not just preaching - I practice; my important data is regularly written to DVD-R and stored outside of my house. It&#039;s quick, easy, and cheap, for peace of mind. I won&#039;t lose nearly 20 years of pictures of my friends if my house burns down...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RAID 1 is a &#8220;backup&#8221; only in case of single drive failure.</p>
<p>Real backups are on a different computer or offline entirely, so you won&#8217;t lose everything if, say, a failing power supply causes your disk controller to write garbage to *both drives*. Or user error, OS bug, or virus causes the filesystems on both to get eaten.</p>
<p>Seriously, if you actually care about any piece of data, it should be copied off of the machine onto another one. Ideally onto a piece of media stored off-site.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m not just preaching &#8211; I practice; my important data is regularly written to DVD-R and stored outside of my house. It&#8217;s quick, easy, and cheap, for peace of mind. I won&#8217;t lose nearly 20 years of pictures of my friends if my house burns down&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Virgil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virgil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a simple taper attachment you can build with all of your new tools:
http://www.strippingknives.com/tools/taper.htm
I used something similar on our lathes in school that had been built as student projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a simple taper attachment you can build with all of your new tools:<br />
<a href="http://www.strippingknives.com/tools/taper.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.strippingknives.com/tools/taper.htm</a><br />
I used something similar on our lathes in school that had been built as student projects.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Dunmyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Dunmyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a home-made carriage stop on my LeBlond that incorporates a 2&quot; travel dial indicator. It works well for most of these purposes and shouldn&#039;t be too tough for you to duplicate once you have a mill. Just last year, I added a Trav-a-Dial, and that thing is the nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a home-made carriage stop on my LeBlond that incorporates a 2&#8243; travel dial indicator. It works well for most of these purposes and shouldn&#8217;t be too tough for you to duplicate once you have a mill. Just last year, I added a Trav-a-Dial, and that thing is the nuts.</p>
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